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I'm closing this thread, as Commons:Administrators/Requests/Kallerna (de-adminship 2) has now been started. --A.Savin 01:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
User:SchroCat edit
User:WC-QHS edit
以下三張照片:
- File:Students of the National Chung Cheng University at the sports day 2008-10-31 01.jpg
- File:Students of the National Chung Cheng University at the sports day 2008-10-31 02.jpg
- File:Students of the National Chung Cheng University at the sports day 2008-10-31 03.jpg
標題是寫學生,但是卻被歸類為校友,這些都是由User:WC-QHS做出的編輯。可是,目前的分類只有學生歸學生,校友歸校友,並沒有將學生歸為校友的這種分類。因此,我將這問題曾向User:WC-QHS詢問過,等候23天,他還沒有回應,而他也沒有對照片做出修正,所以現在不清楚是標題Students打錯還是歸類Alumni放錯。最關鍵的是,照片中的人全部身穿便服,無法分辨是學生還是校友,這也就是為什麼需要將問題拿來這。如果是標題Students打錯,就需要將照片重命名。如果是歸類Alumni放錯,就需要將分類改為Students。--125.230.91.191 11:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
User:Dolores sepiol edit
He continues to upload copyrighted images and appears to exhibit a pattern of behavior involving uploading other copyrighted images after previous ones have been removed.
- File:Louisa-mak-black-dress.jpg copy from [4]
- File:Louisa-Mak-2023-white-dress-jewelry.jpg & File:Louisa-Mak-Portrait-Closeup-Cropped.jpg copy from [5]
Rastinition (talk) 17:07, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- So where did he get the META data? Guido den Broeder (talk) 17:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Guido den Broeder: no idea what metadata you are referring to, but File:Louisa-mak-black-dress.jpg was all over the web in 2020 and was a recent upload here. If User:Dolores sepiol is the author, even then she would have needed to go through COM:VRT to upload previously published work. - Jmabel ! talk 20:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly, but a new user wouldn't know that. Guido den Broeder (talk) 21:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Rastinition: when you bring up someone's conduct on this page, you are supposed to notify them on their user page. You didn't do that; if fact you wrote your post here in a manner that did not even mention them in a way that would give them a notification. I've now notified them. Please be more careful about that in the future. - Jmabel ! talk 20:50, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- @JmabelApologies, as the reported account engages in cross-wiki activities, I will make sure to copy information to various wiki versions in the future. Additionally, when copying that information, do I need to translate the text into the local language of each wiki version? Rastinition (talk) 23:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Rastinition: Nothing about "various wiki versions" here. You did not notify her on her Commons talk page, and you didn't use a form on this page like [[User:Dolores sepiol]] or {{ping|Dolores sepiol}} that would automatically notify her. - Jmabel ! talk 00:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- @JmabelI've simplified the issue. Never mind what I said about him on other wiki versions. I guess here, I just need to add @Dolores sepiol and change the title to User:Dolores sepiol. Rastinition (talk) 09:41, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- I believe he did receive the notification, but he still chose to upload images with copyright issues (and it's the second time he uploaded File:Louisa-Mak-Portrait-Closeup-Cropped.jpg from the same webpage to here). Rastinition (talk) 09:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm kinda new to this whole thing. I've just figured out how to view these messages here. All the photos I've uploaded was sent to me personally by the person who was photographed in the picture (who this wiki page belongs to), requesting that I help replace her original wiki photo. But as a public figure, a lot of her photos (which she took herself and might have posted onto her own social media) were stolen, or "used", by other webpages. And I believe wiki has even misidentified the source/copyright owners of some of these aforementioned photos that I've uploaded. Would any of you be so kind as to shine a light on the easiest way I could get rid of the original photo without going through a long-winded process of proving I do indeed have permission to use these images, or keep getting my photo taken down because Wiki is unable to identify the correct source of the image? Dolores sepiol (talk) 10:07, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- If we consider the perspective of the original file size and the file information attached to the image File:Louisa-Mak-Red-Dress-Event.jpg, I might believe that it was taken around the same time as the series of photos from https://www.instagram.com/p/CXyKSdzpB6W/. However, the photos in that series have a non-square aspect ratio, while the version you provided is square. Therefore, the version you uploaded is very likely a cropped and reproduced product.
- File:Louisa-Mak-Portrait-Closeup-Cropped.jpg is clearly not the original image; it has been compressed.And File:Louisa-Mak-Portrait-Closeup-Cropped.jpg also shows clear signs of being cropped. It appears to be cropped from https://www.lukfook.com/tc/category/events-and-promotion/post/2023lukfookraceday.
- Rastinition (talk) 10:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have 3 questions regarding (1),
- a. the photo in question was indeed taken around the same time as the post you linked. However, even the photos within the posts are cropped in different aspect ratios, what made you arrive at the conclusion that it was the photo I uploaded which was cropped?
- b. the photo I uploaded (File:Louisa-Mak-Red-Dress-Event.jpg) has not been published anywhere else on the internet, so why would it be a copyright violation?
- b. assuming I am the owner of the photo, can I not crop my own photo, and then upload it to wiki? You are making it sound like it is forbidden to upload any cropped images onto the site. Dolores sepiol (talk) 10:57, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- The image with relatively complete file information is not mentioned for deletion, and I am not asserting that it has copyright issues. I am simply stating the possible status of that image. If my statement is not clear enough, I am stating that the image not requested for deletion is very close to the original.
- The image mentioned for deletion is clearly a reproduction. Regardless of who provided the image, it is currently being reasonably used by other websites, and those websites have not granted authorization to you. If the channel through which you obtained the image has already granted authorization for its use to you, you should also verify whether the provider holds complete copyright. Depending on the form of authorization, sometimes even the photographer may not necessarily possess complete copyright.
- Rastinition (talk) 11:12, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm kinda new to this whole thing. I've just figured out how to view these messages here. All the photos I've uploaded was sent to me personally by the person who was photographed in the picture (who this wiki page belongs to), requesting that I help replace her original wiki photo. But as a public figure, a lot of her photos (which she took herself and might have posted onto her own social media) were stolen, or "used", by other webpages. And I believe wiki has even misidentified the source/copyright owners of some of these aforementioned photos that I've uploaded. Would any of you be so kind as to shine a light on the easiest way I could get rid of the original photo without going through a long-winded process of proving I do indeed have permission to use these images, or keep getting my photo taken down because Wiki is unable to identify the correct source of the image? Dolores sepiol (talk) 10:07, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Rastinition: Nothing about "various wiki versions" here. You did not notify her on her Commons talk page, and you didn't use a form on this page like [[User:Dolores sepiol]] or {{ping|Dolores sepiol}} that would automatically notify her. - Jmabel ! talk 00:54, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- @JmabelApologies, as the reported account engages in cross-wiki activities, I will make sure to copy information to various wiki versions in the future. Additionally, when copying that information, do I need to translate the text into the local language of each wiki version? Rastinition (talk) 23:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Guido den Broeder: no idea what metadata you are referring to, but File:Louisa-mak-black-dress.jpg was all over the web in 2020 and was a recent upload here. If User:Dolores sepiol is the author, even then she would have needed to go through COM:VRT to upload previously published work. - Jmabel ! talk 20:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Dolores sepiol: Hello, if you are copyright holder, you need to go through COM:VRT to verify permission. If no, you may ask the author or copyright holder send an email with copy of a written permission to VRT (permissions-commons@wikimedia.org). Thanks for your understanding. SCP-2000 13:23, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Dolores sepiol: I second what SCP-2000 says here: presumably you can have the author or copyright holder go through the process described at COM:VRT to explicitly grant an appropriate license, and the deleted pictures will be restored. (This also goes for the one that is not deleted, given that you are not the copyright holder.) - Jmabel ! talk 18:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
And with that, I would hope we are done discussing here, unless Dolores sepiol has further questions. Clearly there is no administrative matter here. The user may have been unaware of how some things work on this site, but clearly did not have bad intentions. - Jmabel ! talk 18:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Prototyperspective and "AI Art Application and Improvements Handbook" on Wikibooks edit
I am noticing a pattern in DRs and I'm not sure if it warrants admin action or not. If it does, it shouldn't be by me, as I am active in many of these and related DRs.
The pattern is: an AI-created image is nominated for deletion as being out of scope, then Prototyperspective (talk · contribs) adds it to "AI Art Application and Improvements Handbook" on Wikibooks, and then someone notes in the DR that the file is COM:INUSE.
Bluntly, the only thing any of the images on that Wikibooks page have in common is that they came up in DRs, and I am unconvinced that the page is anything other than an attempt to game COM:INUSE.
Looking to get others' opinions on this. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 23:21, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
- @The Squirrel Conspiracy: That looks fishy to me. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 00:56, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Jeff G.: are you saying The Squirrel Conspiracy's characterization of this looks fishy, or Prototyperspective's conduct? - Jmabel ! talk 00:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Jmabel: The described conduct. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 01:19, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Jeff G.: are you saying The Squirrel Conspiracy's characterization of this looks fishy, or Prototyperspective's conduct? - Jmabel ! talk 00:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- If that is an accurate description, then that is certainly not OK. I'd like to see that backed up by diffs, though, so that we don't each have to go searching for evidence ourselves. - Jmabel ! talk 00:59, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Convenience link: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/AI_Art_Application_and_Improvements_Handbook - Jmabel ! talk 01:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- I can explain it to you and I've been open about it:
- that handbook is not a priority to me but when I see DRs I a) sometimes see the relevant AI images and think about how they could be useful in the context of the DR and b) may find spending some time to expand the wikibook worth my time.
- Nothing at INUSE suggest that would be "gaming it" and if it is I didn't know but I'd then suggest this is made clear there, that page also says "realistically useful for an educational purpose" where the wikibook makes the application and realistic educational usefulness clear.
- If you don't consider the uses in that book "INUSE" then you can always just ignore them which is already done. While I don't think deleting AI images even when clear usefulness cases have been clarified and remain unrefuted is within bounds of current WMC policy even if they were not used anywhere, if you agree that it would be then I guess it is.
- Moreover, the book is new and so new images are added as I come across them now, I haven't substantially changed it again for quite a while. And for the Roman Kubanskiy images, those were some of the very few available for illustrating a section and I added all the good-quality images for that application to its section, not just these.
- Prototyperspective (talk) 11:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
@Jmabel: : Sorry, here are the diffs:
- Prototyperspective created the book on Dec 9 using images of Putin from Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Roman Kubanskiy (DR filed November 15) and images in Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Giovanna IV di Napoli by Bing Image Creator (DR filed December 6).
- Prototyperspective added an image of Sauron on Dec. 16, a day after Commons:Deletion requests/File:'Excuse me sir, where can I find the rings section?' – Fictional being placed into a contemporary realistic daily life setting.png was filed.
- Finally, though this one is not as strong a point as the others: On Dec. 13, the first Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Hyju was closed as delete. On Dec. 20, Prototyperspective added a bunch more of Hyju's images, and then on Dec. 27, those were all included in the second DR for Hyju's files. Ordinarily, this wouldn't be suspicious - after all, Prototyperspective put them in the book before they were listed for deletion - but the section they put them in is under the text "Especially useful if no other or only low-quality images are available for the concept", and the things they added were vampires, prehistoric people, and vintage comic book covers, of which there is ample art of already. Prototyperspective was also the only person advocating for keeping the first Hyju batch.
Worth noting that when the Giovanna IV images were deleted, Prototyperspective put the redlinks back in the book, calling it "unwarranted censorship deletions".
I think that all of this taken together paints a pretty clear picture of why the wikibook exists and how it's being misused. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 02:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- I've voiced similar concerns. Nearly every image in that book is, or was at some point, the subject of a deletion discussion on Commons, and it's not because someone's been going through the book to pick images to nominate for deletion, and it certainly isn't just a weird coincidence either. COM:INUSE is meant to prevent the deletion of images which projects are legitimately using, not as a way to "game" deletion discussions on Commons. See also Commons talk:Project scope#Outdated (does not reflect current admin practices): policy amendment for in-scope exceptions. Omphalographer (talk) 04:27, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Nearly every image in that book is, or was at some point, the subject of a deletion discussion on Commons Very false.
- I added images based on their relevance and quality so all of them should be high-quality for the described application. I wonder though why people complain about it here rather than replacing the image with a better one if there is one. In any case, current policy hasn't made clear that INUSE only applies to files that were INUSE before the DR but whether or not that is the case doesn't matter to my freedom to use images as I see fit. If you'd like to restrict this freedom then please add a note like Images that are currently subject of deletion discussions are not allowed to be used in any other Wikimedia project. If they are used there they should be replaced by other users and are not legitimately in use. That would be something to discuss at the policy page. I apologize if my edits to the wikibook I started are considered problematic. Prototyperspective (talk) 11:17, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I share the Squirrel's concerns about misuse of Wikibooks, and overall advocacy of out-of-scope AI-generated images when they were told many times that such images are not welcome here. Yann (talk) 07:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a "misuse of Wikibooks", you and e.g. Squirrel just don't consider the file-uses in it legitimate which is fine to people.
- Out-of-scope images made using AI software should be deleted.
- The deletion requests – which usually nominated large numbers of different files at once – and village pump discussions that I think you're referring to had some people arguing for usefulness and use-cases of AI software in the context of images as well as some against such; there is no policy that says that images made using this novel technology are generally not welcome here but it's certainly the impression I get which may or may not be a problem or a good thing for a good future of WMC. I don't indiscriminately explain specific usefulness cases for images in deletion requests but only those where I can see a realistic educational value (e.g. for few images of a long list of files nominated at once) and voted for deletion in many occasions, while Squirrel wrote here and here Due to both the copyright and ethical concerns, I am always in favor of deleting AI art, especially when we have any non-AI generated images that don't have those concerns.. Again, if you don't see this Wikibook's file-uses or uses of files during DRs as legitimate then users have clarified that ignoring them is fine.
- Prototyperspective (talk) 11:24, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm uncomfortable with complaining about someone's advocacy in an actively discussed issue. I could appreciate him being less voluminous, but he's discussing on a live discussion.--Prosfilaes (talk) 17:58, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
User ignoring COM:OVERWRITE when AI upscaling edit
- Guise (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log)
Guise has uploaded a lot of good French literary artwork over many years. More recently they have been returning to files they uploaded themselves years earlier and overwriting them with "better res" versions: in some cases that better resolution has clearly been obtained through AI upscaling rather than taking or finding a higher quality scan of the original source.
For example, File:William Nicholson (1872-1949) - Characters of Romance, Porthos.jpg is a scan of a 1900 drawing of Porthos the musketeer, originally uploaded in 2022. Guise replaced it this week with a double-sized "better res" AI version, improving the line quality but also replacing the simple dots of Porthos's pupils with detailed, glistening AI irises that William Nicholson never drew.
User_talk:Guise/Archive_3 has four archived COM:OVERWRITE warnings from last November, including my attempt to explain why their replacements were going beyond "may be replaced by their uploader shortly after they are uploaded", and asking that they follow the guideline and make these AI versions separate uploads. I'm concerned that they haven't seen these messages, have misunderstood them, or wrongly believe that their edits are only "minor improvements" and not a form of digital restoration. Belbury (talk) 11:41, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the supposed AI improvement is ultimately disappointing for this Porthos file due to the modification of the pupils. Note that I've read your messages since I'm gradually revising my uploads in order to cancel the files with such a problem (for instance [6], [7], not to mention what remains to be done [8], [9]), in addition to clearly distinguishing original scans from AI-retouched files (as in the Sâr Dubnotal category or the Milady file). Regards. --Guise (talk) 13:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is almost a textbook example of something that calls for uploading under a distinct name, linked as an "other version" or "derivative work". Also: "better res" is an absolutely misleading edit summary for that upload. It should have said something like "sharpened and upscaled with AI" (and ideally with an explicit mention of what AI tool), which would also be the case if it were uploaded under a distinct filename. "better res" misleadingly suggests a higher-resolution scan, not upsampling. - Jmabel ! talk 19:02, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- It is such a textbook example that it's the 5th example of what not to do in Commons:Overwriting existing files § DO NOT overwrite. AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 03:14, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is almost a textbook example of something that calls for uploading under a distinct name, linked as an "other version" or "derivative work". Also: "better res" is an absolutely misleading edit summary for that upload. It should have said something like "sharpened and upscaled with AI" (and ideally with an explicit mention of what AI tool), which would also be the case if it were uploaded under a distinct filename. "better res" misleadingly suggests a higher-resolution scan, not upsampling. - Jmabel ! talk 19:02, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
- Bolitachan (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log)
Uploaded 3 non-free files after a warning not to do so Kelly The Angel (talk) 07:12, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Kelly The Angel: All three images gave as their sources journal articles under free licenses. In one case, it was the exact image. In another case, the image Bolitachan uploaded and the image in the article were nearly identical except for the color balance and the figure number, so I uploaded the correct version and hid the original. In the last case, Bolitachan uploaded a picture of an entire tree, while only the bottom half of that picture was in the source itself. I nominated that one for deletion. I'm not sure exactly what's going on here, but it would be nice to hear Bolitachan's response. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 07:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Most likely, Bolitachan uploads non-free files in good faith and just doesn't know how copyright works. Kelly The Angel (talk) 07:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have informed Bolitachan about this discussion. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 07:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Guido den Broeder edit
- User: Guido den Broeder (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log)
- Reasons for reporting: Tendentious, harassing behavior. In the discussion #User:SchroCat above, the user referred to the posts of SHB2000 as "lies". Yann warned him that was "not acceptable, unless you back it up." After neglecting to ping Yann and me in his replies, the user went on to remove the warning as "no vandalization, nor any other reason for a block; unhelpful warning removed". That is clear en:WP:IDHT behavior. Everything I wrote above is included by reference.
— 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 23:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- Strongly support an indefinite ban once and for all for their continued incivility and personal attacks. All they do on Commons is stir up dramas; they're banned on 3 other WMF wikis – can we please end their endless blether once and for all? --SHB2000 (talk) 23:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
- In 2022 when you two tried the same but got nowhere, you claimed that I was banned on 5 wikis, that I had a slew of sockpuppets, and that I was evading a global lock.[10] I guess this is progress. You also announced that you would keep coming after me on Commons, even after Yann and Ellywa told you not to. I don't think that repeating the same discussion with nothing new to report is constructive. Guido den Broeder (talk) 00:55, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- I also don't think snarkily trying to avoid a discussion about your behaviour is constructive. --SHB2000 (talk) 01:48, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, I am not banned on any WMF wiki. Guido den Broeder (talk) 02:54, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- I also don't think snarkily trying to avoid a discussion about your behaviour is constructive. --SHB2000 (talk) 01:48, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- In 2022 when you two tried the same but got nowhere, you claimed that I was banned on 5 wikis, that I had a slew of sockpuppets, and that I was evading a global lock.[10] I guess this is progress. You also announced that you would keep coming after me on Commons, even after Yann and Ellywa told you not to. I don't think that repeating the same discussion with nothing new to report is constructive. Guido den Broeder (talk) 00:55, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- You neglect to mention that I did provide the requested evidence. I rarely ping, as most users (myself included) find that terribly annoying. But I was absent for a year due to medical complications. Did pinging become mandatory during that time? Guido den Broeder (talk) 00:59, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Guido: no, in most circumstances pinging isn't mandatory, but it is customary. I take it from your remark above that you'd rather not be pinged.
- @SHB2000: when you say, "All they do on Commons is stir up dramas," is that intended to be taken literally? Offhand, [11], [12], and [13] look like productive edits. Are you saying they are not? It looks like he's had a pretty contentious couple of days, but that's a long way from "All they do on Commons is stir up dramas." I take seriously what Jeff G. says above, but please don't muddy the waters. - Jmabel ! talk 01:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- No, not literally. SHB2000 (talk) 01:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- I think that during all the years that I have been here, I have started only two or three discussions on a drama board. On my own wikis (I have 6) we don't have such boards. We don't need them, and I can't even remember the last time that I blocked someone. Guido den Broeder (talk) 02:22, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Guido den Broeder: What wikis are those? — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 04:19, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see the relevance. Guido den Broeder (talk) 13:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Guido den Broeder: if it is not relevant, then why did you bring it up? - Jmabel ! talk 16:55, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see the relevance. Guido den Broeder (talk) 13:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- What happens outside of Wikimedia is irrelevant to what happens on Commons. --SHB2000 (talk) 07:49, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Guido den Broeder: What wikis are those? — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 04:19, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- I think that during all the years that I have been here, I have started only two or three discussions on a drama board. On my own wikis (I have 6) we don't have such boards. We don't need them, and I can't even remember the last time that I blocked someone. Guido den Broeder (talk) 02:22, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- No, not literally. SHB2000 (talk) 01:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While I agree on repeated incivilities by GdB and that a warning message to stop incivilities is relevant, still a "stop vandalizing" template was clearly misplaced here. --A.Savin 02:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Where I wrote I would again calmly refute all your lies, this was in reference to a possible repeat of the discussion of 2022, where I did so, and not to the discussion at #User:SchroCat. Guido den Broeder (talk) 04:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Support a block (3 months?), so that they get the message. Yann (talk) 07:38, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Could you explain to me what the message is? Why should I be blocked when I am the one getting attacked? Are you still claiming that I vandalized this page or do you acknowledge that your warning was misplaced? Guido den Broeder (talk) 13:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- The message is, that you should urgently stop uncivil comments like this one. The fact that a wrong warning template was selected does not make the intended warning from personal attacks null and void. The essence is the same, gaming the system will not work here. --A.Savin 14:17, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is the user problem noticeboard. If there is a problem with a user, it should be safe for everyone to report so. Do you think that the ad hominem by Ikan Kekek that I responded to, a man who decided he's my enemy to me, was fine? Guido den Broeder (talk) 14:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- You've attacked me ever since I cited COM:INUSE in two or three deletion requests you started. I had literally forgotten about your previous abusive behavior toward me until you started it again in a recent thread. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is the user problem noticeboard. If there is a problem with a user, it should be safe for everyone to report so. Do you think that the ad hominem by Ikan Kekek that I responded to, a man who decided he's my enemy to me, was fine? Guido den Broeder (talk) 14:43, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- If you're still reading this, you're the one who's attacking everyone, making Commons a less enjoyable place to edit. --SHB2000 (talk) 22:18, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- The message is, that you should urgently stop uncivil comments like this one. The fact that a wrong warning template was selected does not make the intended warning from personal attacks null and void. The essence is the same, gaming the system will not work here. --A.Savin 14:17, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Could you explain to me what the message is? Why should I be blocked when I am the one getting attacked? Are you still claiming that I vandalized this page or do you acknowledge that your warning was misplaced? Guido den Broeder (talk) 13:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Back in 2022 there was a thread here about Guido. At the time, I had this to say: The main concern I've had about Guido is that he seems primarily interested in two things on Commons: self-promotion and noticeboard drama. - This still appears to be true. Just glancing at his recent contributions they are largely dramaboards, a couple DRs, and edit warring with TU-nor to include a link to WikiSage, a website Guido founded, at Commons:Alternative outlets, and then even giving TU-nor a "final warning" about it. We don't have a version of WP:NOTHERE, but basically this is a case of COM:NOTHERE. — Rhododendrites talk | 16:38, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- And on Wikisage we promote Commons. Isn't that we we're supposed to do, support each other? Guido den Broeder (talk) 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- No. We provide the best resource we can to our users. That doesn't include linking to another wiki just because they link to us. There is no good reason to link to Wikisage, among all the hundreds/thousands of other online encyclopedic projects out there, as the sole link next to our sister project, Wikipedia, except for your own promotional interests. — Rhododendrites talk | 17:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- When TU-nor finally took a look at Wikisage, he understood, and stopped editwarring. There the content dispute ended. That is how I solve content disputes, not by running to the drama board. And now you are editwarring in violation of the prevailing consensus. Guido den Broeder (talk) 17:18, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- I removed an unhelpful external link added multiple times by a user here primarily to promote himself and his interests (and willing to issue warnings to those who get in the way). Edit warring is repeatedly making the same edit. You are the only one that has done that here. I find it shocking that even here you're still combative about your abuse of Commons for promotion. — Rhododendrites talk | 17:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- This here is not a dramaboard per se. You turn it into one, every singel time I have seen you editing here. Try to solve conflicts respectfully and without drama here as well. Kritzolina (talk) 17:23, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Are you saying that I should ignore personal attacks against me? I'm not sure I understand you correctly. Guido den Broeder (talk) 17:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- And that is just one way you turn this into a dramaboard. You derail at every possible turn. Kritzolina (talk) 17:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Are you saying that I should ignore personal attacks against me? I'm not sure I understand you correctly. Guido den Broeder (talk) 17:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- I utterly resent the remark When TU-nor finally took a look at Wikisage, he understood, and stopped editwarring at Commons:Alternative outlets. For one thing, I was not editwarring. I made 1 – one – edit to the page, removing the link to Wikisage with the edit summary "Rmv. self-promotion". My edit was immediately reverted. Even more I resent the creation of a totally unfounded and fictional reason given for my lack of further edits. No, I did not 'finally take a look' at Wikisage. I had already studied it enough to know that the English version is a completely useless arena for writing an encyclopedic article (at least if you want it to be seen). No, I did not 'understand' the reason for keeping it. Truth is, I just could not be bothered to waste time on it, since my main work is in other Wikis. --TU-nor (talk) 18:11, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- When TU-nor finally took a look at Wikisage, he understood, and stopped editwarring. There the content dispute ended. That is how I solve content disputes, not by running to the drama board. And now you are editwarring in violation of the prevailing consensus. Guido den Broeder (talk) 17:18, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- No. We provide the best resource we can to our users. That doesn't include linking to another wiki just because they link to us. There is no good reason to link to Wikisage, among all the hundreds/thousands of other online encyclopedic projects out there, as the sole link next to our sister project, Wikipedia, except for your own promotional interests. — Rhododendrites talk | 17:13, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- And on Wikisage we promote Commons. Isn't that we we're supposed to do, support each other? Guido den Broeder (talk) 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Done I blocked Guido den Broeder for 3 months. I wasn't aware of the details, but the information given by Rhododendrites, and Guido's answers, clearly demonstrate that he didn't understand what are expected from contributors here. Yann (talk) 17:54, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, he is now trying to promote "an alternative to Commons, one without the hate and the porn". I wonder if they will, once launched, steal images from Commons, like the one meanwhile banned guy from the so-called "Ruwiki" did. --A.Savin 18:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- The message from him is clear: he doesn't belong to Commons. Reblocked indef. without talk page access. Yann (talk) 18:59, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Indef seems right per NOTHERE. I'll also say that I'd support an appeal down the road if it clearly articulated constructive activities he'd undertake and committed not to engage in any promotional activity. — Rhododendrites talk | 19:18, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- The message from him is clear: he doesn't belong to Commons. Reblocked indef. without talk page access. Yann (talk) 18:59, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Long overdue; thanks for the block, Yann! --SHB2000 (talk) 21:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- I feel, that if somebody will create a "hate-free" alternative to Commons or Wikipedia, it will inevitably become safeplace of racists, antisemites, neofascists, anti-LGBT propaganda and conspiracy theories. Taivo (talk) 15:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- In essence, that's what X has become after Elon wanted to promote "free speech" on the platform. --SHB2000 (talk) 21:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- This guy already has a Wikipedia-clone with mostly copies of articles deleted at the Dutch Wikipedia and some attack pages. Good block. NOTHERE. Natuur12 (talk) 23:44, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- In the likely case of launching a Commons' clone with stolen contents from Commons, the WMFOffice should urgently consider a ban, too. --A.Savin 00:06, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- How does one steal content that are under a free license? Trade (talk) 01:04, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Content is considered stolen if it's being imported/uploaded improperly, in violation of the terms of a Free license. "Ruwiki" did exactly this. --A.Savin 01:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Would that be in the case of importing/uploading content improperly be if they fail to give attribution and the like? (also, I'm curious: what exactly happened at "ru.wiki"?) --SHB2000 (talk) 01:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, most of our content is not Public Domain so proper attribution is absolutely necessary. There is WP article about that resource; en:Ruwiki (website). --A.Savin 02:05, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, right. Strange (but not surprising) that w:Ruwiki (website) even exists. Thanks for the link. --SHB2000 (talk) 12:31, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, most of our content is not Public Domain so proper attribution is absolutely necessary. There is WP article about that resource; en:Ruwiki (website). --A.Savin 02:05, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Would that be in the case of importing/uploading content improperly be if they fail to give attribution and the like? (also, I'm curious: what exactly happened at "ru.wiki"?) --SHB2000 (talk) 01:57, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- Content is considered stolen if it's being imported/uploaded improperly, in violation of the terms of a Free license. "Ruwiki" did exactly this. --A.Savin 01:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- How does one steal content that are under a free license? Trade (talk) 01:04, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- I think WikiSage only has like 38 users to begin with and its mostly garbage. So he probably couldn't even do it if we wanted to. Really his whole thing just comes off like a weird, badly done deep fake or something. I don't know, but there's almost zero shot him of making an actual alternative to Commons. --Adamant1 (talk) 01:10, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- In essence, that's what X has become after Elon wanted to promote "free speech" on the platform. --SHB2000 (talk) 21:10, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- I feel, that if somebody will create a "hate-free" alternative to Commons or Wikipedia, it will inevitably become safeplace of racists, antisemites, neofascists, anti-LGBT propaganda and conspiracy theories. Taivo (talk) 15:33, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, I've started a global ban discussion at m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Guido den Broeder. --SHB2000 (talk) 06:15, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, he is now trying to promote "an alternative to Commons, one without the hate and the porn". I wonder if they will, once launched, steal images from Commons, like the one meanwhile banned guy from the so-called "Ruwiki" did. --A.Savin 18:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
request edit
Please block 弟魯 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) sock of globally blocked user 14.0.174.246 09:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Done the other way round: Requesting IP blocked per Special:Contributions/14.0.226.128 and File:Victoria Harbour & Kowloon.jpg semiprotected for 1 year. --Achim55 (talk) 09:27, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
user:Komajo.jh.kouhou edit
- they contributed same school pictures. those photo is include non public areas. maybe the contributor is school staff. those photo include due to law concerns. --eien20 (talk) 16:33, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Eien20: You must inform a user when you report them here. I did it for you this time. Yann (talk) 16:44, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Range block for 2603:7000:B8F0:960 edit
Can someone more comfortable with rangeblocks please block the 2603:7000:B8F0:960 range for a few days per the behavior at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Logo de hey duggee - 2014-actual.png (and a few other DRs). The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 07:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- For some clarification, specifically this. --SHB2000 (talk) 07:42, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Done Special:Contributions/2603:7000:B8F0:960:0:0:0:0/64 blocked for a week. Yann (talk) 11:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- @The Squirrel Conspiracy, SHB2000, and Yann: Thanks. The most succinct representation is special:contribs/2603:7000:B8F0:960::/64. For reporting, {{ip|2603:7000:B8F0:960::/64}} will do. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 12:09, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Is that (how to refer to a range for this purpose) documented somewhere that it should easily have been found? I would never have considered "special:contribs". - Jmabel ! talk 18:20, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- This is explained in w:IPv6 address#Networks. I just copy-paste the URL. Yann (talk) 18:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Jmabel: I concur with Yann. Two colons in an IPv6 address or range are an abbreviation for lots of zeros. I don't remember exactly when or where I picked up "special:contribs" (probably from reading diffs on meta), but I first recorded my use of it in m:srg 3+ years ago in August of 2020 in m:special:diff/20352496 as archived at m:Steward requests/Global/2020-08#Global lock for Itsrobloxhereyt. "contributions" is such a long word, I immediately took to that abbreviation, which works everywhere I've tried it, even on language wikis other than English. Yes, I hack URLs. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 12:27, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- I completely agree that's the normal way to write an IP range. I still don't get: is the "special:contribs" (or a longer equivalent) compulsory in this context? Because I would never have guessed it. - Jmabel ! talk 17:47, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Jmabel: We don't have user or talk pages for ranges. The best complete alternatives we have are what I wrote at 12:09 and what Yann wrote at 11:34 on the 13th above. An obtuse alternative like "the /64 surrounding 2603:7000:b8f0:960:3274:dab1:db2e:1198" is easier for me to report, but I don't think it's easier for Admins to use. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 02:18, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- I completely agree that's the normal way to write an IP range. I still don't get: is the "special:contribs" (or a longer equivalent) compulsory in this context? Because I would never have guessed it. - Jmabel ! talk 17:47, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Is that (how to refer to a range for this purpose) documented somewhere that it should easily have been found? I would never have considered "special:contribs". - Jmabel ! talk 18:20, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- @The Squirrel Conspiracy, SHB2000, and Yann: Thanks. The most succinct representation is special:contribs/2603:7000:B8F0:960::/64. For reporting, {{ip|2603:7000:B8F0:960::/64}} will do. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 12:09, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Done Special:Contributions/2603:7000:B8F0:960:0:0:0:0/64 blocked for a week. Yann (talk) 11:34, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
User:Daniel5785 edit
Daniel5785 (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) This users uploads have been deleted or marked as personal or advertisement photos. He was warned but continues, so he should be blocked indefinitely. Pierre cb (talk) 04:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
DellaGherardesca edit
DellaGherardesca (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log) This user is a puppet of e.g. User:Livioandronico2013, User:Fiat 500e, User:Labicanense and User:Rione I Monti. Same camera and same kind of spamming their own photos all over Wikipedia. After being blocked user reappears with a new account. Disembodied Soul (talk) 11:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Readthispage appears to be a w:WP:NOTHERE issue/single purpose account. All uploads have been 1) crops of Commons images to focus more closely on women's breasts (e.g., to File:Lana Rhoades 2-2017 cleavage (cropped).jpg cropped from this; File:Tanya Tate at AVN Adult Entertainment Expo 2016 (25037741523) (cropped).jpg cropped from this; etc.); 2) fan art/COM:NOTHOST AI porn; and 3) screenshots of pornstar's breasts. Their en.wiki contribs provide additional context: they have been exclusively to replace images in pornstar bios with ones that more prominently feature their breasts (e.g., [14][15][16]--all of those reverted) and to create a userpage sandbox article on "Bouncing breasts". Discussion seems needed. Эlcobbola talk 13:19, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- I think your instinct is correct. I'd say indef them and zap their uploads. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 14:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Could someone explain to the user why the video game Yandere Simulator isn't in the public domain? He seems to have convinced himself that it is for some reason Trade (talk) 15:36, 15 January 2024 (UTC)