Commons:Deletion requests/File:Simone 1973 simone (712017813).jpg

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File:Simone 1973 simone (712017813).jpg[edit]

Possible copyright infringement by the Flickr user. Probably the press officer of the artist contacted me through my discussion page and requested the deletion of the photos. Raphael Figueira (talk) 15:19, 18 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Affected:

May also include File:Simone cantora Brasil.jpg? – BMacZero (🗩) 19:13, 20 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, Yes, all pics must be deleted and not alowed. New pics will be chosen, and posted by her team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsnaveia (talk • contribs) 2020-09-20 20:24:05 (UTC)
Yes, the press officer demands. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsnaveia (talk • contribs) 2020-09-20 20:26:47 (UTC)
@Fcsnaveia: First, please sign your comments with ~~~~!
Secondly, initially only the photos specifically for that Flickr flickr.com/photos/simonepedacos will be deleted, as it may have inflicted copyright. I strongly recommend that you also contact Flickr requesting the removal of the photos there.
Thirdly, there is no guarantee that other included photos will also be deleted, as singer Simone is a public figure and it is possible for people to photograph her in public places such as concerts.
Raphael Figueira (talk) 09:25, 21 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I´m sorry, I dont understand, there is a demand from her press officer, and this means on behalf of tha singer herself, that none of these pics should remain online. Her press officer is demanding it, and this means 'on her behalf'. None of these pics should remain online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsnaveia (talk • contribs) 13:26, 21 September 2020 (UTC) (UTC)Reply[reply]

New pics will be made available, by 'Deco Gedeon Produções', from her press officer. Thank you. Fcsnaveia (talk) 13:35, 21 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Notei q ainda estão no ar, Qd serão retiradas? I´ve noticed they are still online, when will they be deleted? Fcsnaveia (talk) 09:29, 22 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Fcsnaveia: the DR will be discussed for a week, since it was created. Then it will be decided, which will take between a minute and a year. Until this decission is made, the images stay online. Probably the images will be kept, because you wrote, you were "probably" contacted by a press officer. "Probably" means you do not know, who this officer really is. And the images on Flickr are still online, proofing that they are legal (otherwise the images would have been taken down on Flickr). Once the images are kept, another deletion request will be more complicated because new reasons will be needed. --C.Suthorn (talk) 11:53, 22 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, the press officer is in direct contact with me, and the artist herself is demanding the deletion of these images. I can ask the press officer to write here, and Iam only here because of their direct request to me. This means that the artist herself does not authorize these images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsnaveia (talk • contribs) 2020-09-22 14:21:16 (UTC) Flickr doesnt have any relation with DRs, they are private pics taken from fans.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsnaveia (talk • contribs) 2020-09-22 14:36:23 (UTC)
By the way the word 'probably' was writen by Raphael Figueira, not me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsnaveia (talk • contribs) 2020-09-22 14:44:14 (UTC)
What could be above the artist herself and her own personal decision of her image? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsnaveia (talk • contribs) 2020-09-22 15:00:24 (UTC)
Please sign your messages with four tildes. You have been asked to do that before.
With respect to the fotos in this DR, the "artist" is the respective fotographer, not the depicted person.
If these are private fotos, taken by fans, these fans are the photographers/copyright owners
If the photographers have published the fotos under a free license (cc-by) they will not be deleted here for copyright violation
It is a good idea, if the copyright holder sends email to the commons permissions OTRS queue.
--C.Suthorn (talk) 15:08, 22 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Iam sorry, the artist is the fan who took the picture? Well, that´s the first time I hear of a fan who is now an artist; and the singer is no longer the artist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsnaveia (talk • contribs) 2020-09-22 15:46:30 (UTC)
Thsese pics are not taken by fans,they are from magazines, and the photographer doesnt know the pic is there (thus we have a copy right infrigement), and since the photographer did not upload nor authorized, and the artist doenst also authorize, then the pictures must be deleted. Not taken by fans (except the first one on the info box):
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsnaveia (talk • contribs) 2020-09-22 15:22:42 + 2020-09-22 15:31:27 (UTC)
One should also noticed that these pics are taken in a huge gap of 3 decades (1977, 2006), it´s difficult to believe that the same person took these pics. So we have different photographers, within some 3 decades, and the person who uploaded them should have the license from all these photographers! And the upload was made in a single day, at once, not likely all photographers were contacted. Even if it was from fans, they are from different fans (photographers), and the person who uploaded should have the license from all these fans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsnaveia (talk • contribs) 2020-09-22 15:53:36 (UTC)
@Fcsnaveia: It is not ethical to talk in Portuguese here, simply because Wikimedia Commons is an international community, different from Wikipedia. If you want to speak Portuguese with me, you can use my talk page.
Although I uploaded the photos using the #flickr2commons tool, I am not responsible for uploading them to Flickr, so I reinforce again that the artist's print accessory must contact Flickr to request the removal of the photos there, already that there is a likely violation of Copyright.
These photos can be all  Delete for me! But I'm not the one who makes the rules... I just wanted to make it clear that there is NO guarantee that other photos will be deleted, for example, photos taken by fans at concerts! Raphael Figueira (talk) 20:16, 22 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You asked me to write in portuguese: @Fcsnaveia, Raphael Figueira: Talvez seja melhor vocês falarem português, a ver se a gente se entende. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsnaveia (talk • contribs) 2020-09-22 20:42:18 (UTC)
Quem disse que podem falar em português fui eu (Tuvalkin), não o Raphael. Sugeri isso por que o nível de ingréis estava tão alto que estava dificultando mais que ajudando — mas parace que há outras dificuldades além dessa. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 20:50, 22 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Tuvalkin: Eu particularmente entendo não ser ético, mas de todo caso, se eu estou errado peço desculpas! PS: meu "ingréis" (sic) de fato é muito ruim, não tive oportunidade de aprender corretamente pois sempre estudei em escolas públicas no Brasil e cetamente não me dediquei o suficiente no estudo do idioma! Também peço perdão se não houve compreensão. Raphael Figueira (talk) 13:25, 23 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok! So, these pics belong to magazines and not fans. They have copyright! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsnaveia (talk • contribs) 2020-09-22 21:01:51 + 2020-09-22 21:01:57 (UTC)
Hello, what would the decision be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsnaveia (talk • contribs) 2020-09-22 21:53:06 (UTC)
Good morning, is there a decision concerning the pictures? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcsnaveia (talk • contribs) 2020-09-23T15:17:48 (UTC)
Please sign with four tildes.
A decision will be made not before a week has passed (28 september or later, possibly days, weeks or month)
It would help your DR, if the files on flickr had been deleted
You can now replace the images in articles with the images uploaded by 'Deco Gedeon Produções'
Make sure that the images by 'Deco Gedeon Produções' have a free license (cc-0 or cc-by-sa-4.0) otherwise they may be speedy deleted for missing copyright
--C.Suthorn (talk) 15:59, 23 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It seems that the not authorized pics are still online, alhtough we have deleted someone comes and reverts our edition, in a tiresome war of editions. Not only reverted but also blocked our nick name for no reason!
This is a criminal behaviour and although we´re the person in charge of the singer´s image and copyrights. Paulo Simões is the one who does taht in criminal behaviour, pics are not authorized, they are from magazines.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Decogedeonproducoes (talk • contribs)
  • O inglês está muito melhor, mas a confusão e ignorância em matéria de copyright law continuam em alta. Ó @Decogedeonproducoes: a Simone contratou-o para gerir a imagem dela em produções próprias, mas ela aqui não manda nada, entende? Independentemente da opinião da Simone, fotos carregadas aqui para o Commons que tenham problemas de copyright (que, pelo que vejo acima, parece que são todas) irão ser apagadas; fotos carregadas por quem a Simone encarregou da gestão da sua imagem on line serão mantidas se estiverem corretamente licenciadas. E ameaças de natureza legal, além de serem pueiris, irão apenas levar ao bloqueio desta conta e ao atraso deste processo de eliminação — que de resto já estaria despachado se vocês não tivessem armado tanta confusão. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 07:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Decogedeonproducoes: Quem é Paulo Simões? -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 09:28, 30 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Paulo Simões parece ser o dono absoluto do artigo, manda e desmanda; do artigo foram bloqueadas a principal autora, q levou 8 meses o escrevendo, o artigo ficou 14 anos no ar, sem ngm alterá-lo. EM 2020 o tal Paulo Simões, entrou lá, "editou", retirando, pasme, todo o trecho sb a descrição da voz, timbre, regsitro vocálico, tudo! quebrou toda a leitura com citações dela em meio ao texto corrido original. Finalmente a autora, depois de mto reclamar, foi bloqueada ao infinito, xingada de 'socalhada', o fã clube simone (fãs de mais de 40 anos dela) na veia tbm foi bloqueado, e ontem eu, q represento Simone há 8 anos, tbm fui. A autora, os fãs e o empresário foram bloqueados pelo Paulo Simões q decide tudo sb o artigo e provavelmente nunca comprou nhm disco dela. carregamos fotos pesquisadas de outra fã dela, a famosa fotógrafa Thereza Eugenia, uam sra. de 80 anos, q conviveu com Simone na década de 70, qdo postamos as fotos, o Paulo, as moveu de lugar, um pouco mais pra cima, ou um pouco mais p baixo, não aonde o fã clube quer, e nem onde a fotógrafa quer, nem onde a autora quer, e nem onde o empresário quer, mas onde Paulo decide, q e se reclamamos ele bloqueia e diz q é vandalismo contumaz! N ameacei ngm, avisei q n há autorização. O celular da 'DecoGedeon' está na Internet, pode entrar em contato e constatar q somos nós, q iremos postar novas imgs. Note ontem, informamos ao Paulo q as imgs n são autorizadas mas como revertemos 2 vezes, ele nos bloqueou, Assim, esse diálogo aqui com vcs, n serviu p nada, pq quem decide é o Paulo, ainda q tenhamos postado na pg de discussão dele, o link daqui! Estamos decidindo quais imgs postar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Decogedeonproducoes (talk • contribs) 2020-09-30 13:31:02 (UTC)
@Decogedeonproducoes: Com todo o devido respeito, você parece desconhecer completamente o projeto! Confunde a Wikipédia Lusófona com a Wikimedia Commons, insiste em não assinar nenhum comentário, acredita que os seus desejos particulares devem vir acima de normas e regras, e que a artista tem plenos poderes de definição. Sinto informar que aqui não é assim que as coisas funcionam, todos estamos sujeitos as regras e acredite, até eu já fui bloqueado por cometer erros no passado. Creio que aprendi com meus erros, e mesmo assim ainda não estou imune a errar novamente. Tenhamos humildade, saibamos os posicionar e estejamos prontos a aprender! Em relação as fotos, confesso que por mim TODAS as fotos que eu subi do Flickr flickr.com/photos/simonepedacos por mim já estariam apagadas  delete! Raphael Figueira (talk) 23:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • These all seem to be copyright violations, and a clear case of Flickrwashing. I vote  delete for this reason, not for the misguided notion implied in the o.p., that the depicted person somehow has a say in the matter (note that none of these photos fall under the provisions of {{Personality rights}}). -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 09:28, 30 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
All these seem to be free of copyright issues and certainly do not cause concerns of {{Personality rights}} (taken as they were in a live, public performance). Sadly only that they do not cover aptly the temporal breadth of this great singer’s carreer. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 09:28, 30 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Info I replaced the copyright infringing fotos in most articles (with the excepiton of bot generated list articles) and on wikidata. Selfproclaimed press officer Decogedeonproducoes could and should have done that long ago, as to them it is so important to replace this images with better one's. --C.Suthorn (talk) 10:42, 30 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We did post pictures, but they were changed from the orginal places we posted, and as we move back to where we want the picture to be, Paulos Simões blocks us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Decogedeonproducoes (talk • contribs) 2020-09-30 14:22:29 (UTC)
--C.Suthorn (talk) 15:30, 30 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Deleted, Fernando Luvizaro is a bad Flickr user and I marked this as bad Flickr account (Flickrwashing). Taivo (talk) 13:43, 2 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New images will be uploaded, but I dont know when, likely next week. Everybody is blocked from the article, fans, the main author (she took some 8 months writing it! and was blocked), her agent, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Decogedeonproducoes (talk • contribs) 2020-10-02 14:59:55 (UTC)
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